Topic Classe Death Knight

[Sarevan]

Ma stanno cambiando ancora molto al DK...

c'hai ragione pure tè

[Kel'thuzad]

Lichborne è un panic button per frost in pve e un sega-warlock per il pvp,niente di più niente di meno

L'antimagic shield...Boh....Sinceramente non saprei....

lichborne è molto buono percarità però dicono che ha un cd troppo lungo quindi non si può usare quella spell tante a causa del cd però quando viene usata è devastante

[Dedalus]

Deh, effettivamente 5 minuti sono tantini

Cmque mi consola sapere che, almeno, funziona bene ^^'''''''

[GeeGeeOH]

When you see the new talent trees, there will be several significant tanking changes that I wanted to explain. Don't worry -- they're all good.

1) Forceful Deflection is gone. Why? It is now a core ability all death knights get!
2) The top of each tree has a really desirable tanking talent. We figure it's not painful to spend points in tier 1 of any tree. You can, and probably should, get all of these.
3) Near the bottom of each tree is another really desirable tanking talent. You will still be able to grab this talent and sub-spec into other trees, but you won't be able to get the gold medal in more than one tree.
4) These talents are more predictable and more under your control. For example, we changed Unbreakable Armor to have a 30 / 60 / 100% chance of boosting your armor by 25% whenever both Frost runes are inactive. To balance this, there is a 90 sec internal cooldown (which we will show in a debuff aura). So you can choose when you want the armor buff. Hold that second Frost Rune until just before the enrage or whenever. Stack it with Icebound Fortitude or Anti-Magic Shell (or both) for truly amazing mitigation.
5) I am not trying to imply there are only 2 tanking talents per tree. The point is that there are some talents we can assume all DK tanks will have, and some others that will be more variable (but ideally equal in utility).
6) No, Blade Barrier is not the ultimate tanking talent in Blood.
7) With the disease changes, getting diseases on multiple enemies is much easier than before. We're also positioning Pestilence to be better at multi-target tanking. A much improved Death and Decay will be nice for pulling, but it's not Consecrate.

Forceful Deflection is bonus Parry Rating equal to 25% of your Strength. There is one "rank" and you start with it at level 55.

The concern about saving your Runes for the bonus mitigation is totally valid and we're just going to have to try it out. We didn't want the bonus to be up for a very short period of time, and we didn't want the bonus to be trivial but up nearly all the time. We think it's okay to have to surrender a little bit of dps (in the form of saving a rune you might have used for Obliterate) in order to boost your survivability periodically -- to some extent that is what tanking is all about. You also have core abilities like IBF that you can use if you get caught with the ability on cooldown.

Part of the DK tanking style is that you have high enough dps to generate sufficient threat. Still we recognize that you can get into a situation where say the ret paladin is catching up to your threat level too fast and you need to do [something] to really pour on the threat. If we find that a few DK abilities need to generate extra threat, we can go that route.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...98852&sid=2000

We're almost ready to show the updated death knight talent tree. It was quite an overhaul but we're pretty excited about it. In case the talent trees go out before a new data push, I wanted to explain what we're trying to do here.

We revamped the DK to have a standard rotation that used all the runes intelligently. Then we tweaked a lot of other abilities to be able to swap out one for another with similar rune costs. Some talented abilities can be used situationally for this purpose, while others just flat out replace one of the core abilities. I don't want to give the impression that "standard rotation" means the DK loses all its depth (or that the game forces you to use this rotation at all). On the contrary it feels like you are making an intelligent decision about what to do next instead of just randomly pounding abilities when they light up.

1) Icy Touch -- 1 Frost -- Pull a mob and get a Frost Fever disease on it.
2) Plague Strike -- 1 Unholy -- Get a Blood Plague disease on the enemy.
3) Blood Strike -- 1 Blood -- Do extra damage for getting both diseases up.
4) Blood Strike -- 1 Blood -- Do extra damage for getting both diseases up.
5) Obliterate -- 1 Frost, 1 Unholy -- Your diseases are going to expire soon, so time for a big hit.
6) Death Coil -- Runic Power -- You probably have enough Runic Power by now.

Those are the basics, but you can swap out those moves as you see fit. If you're wounded, instead of Obliterate for Step 5, you can Death Strike instead for the same cost. Or you can Chains of Ice. Or Howling Blast. If you are deep Blood, you can Heart Strike instead of Blood Strike for bigger damage and an all new debuff. If you are deep Frost, you can use Blood of the North to earn 2 Death Runes and then get 2 Obliterates next time around. Or you can Frost Strike instead of Death Coil, especially if the target is really wounded and you also have Merciless Combat.

We are trying to fix the Unholy Rune demand in a few ways:

-- Degeneration is now an upgrade to Plague Strike. It was such a situational ability (but a very good one in that situation) that we thought it was a good opportunity to merge it with something else. The risk is that serious PvP players will feel like it's mandatory to only go Unholy. If this happens, we'll try something else, like making it core again. The runeforge idea is also intriguing.

-- We're going to try Chains of Ice as 1 Frost. Certainly not too many people seem to be complaining that the DK has too much CC.

-- Raise Dead doesn't cost any runes. The cost was irrelevant outside of combat and hard to work into a rotation once in awhile.

-- Empower Rune Weapon activates all your runes and provides some runic power. Its cooldown is probably long enough to handle this.

-- This isn't a recent change, but remember that with Annihilation more available you can sometimes save a Plague Strike when you Annihilate. Likewise, with the Icy Touch change, you can still get a disease out without spending an Unholy.

It probably feels like we are focusing predominantly on the DK's PvE options for now, which is probably true. But PvP will start to get a lot more testing as some of the new features (arenas, Wintergrasp) come online.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...98839&sid=2000

[GeeGeeOH]

In sintesi stanno cambiando diversa roba al DK.

A poi ci sono gli occhioni dolci che hanno dato ai DK:

[Bl@ck]

orribili O_O
io volevo i tatuaggi neri in faccia non gli occhi bianchi

[Dedalus]

orribili O_O
io volevo i tatuaggi neri in faccia non gli occhi bianchi

E' un umano.
Su una BE fanno estremamente figo

[GeeGeeOH]

[Kel'thuzad]

ma io volevo i tatuaggi oppre la pelle grigia con dei simboli sulla faccia tipo i primi dk di naxx :( vabbè mi so accontentare

[Dedalus]

Moar better (obiettività FTW )

[EL_Marco]

In sintesi stanno cambiando diversa roba al DK.

A poi ci sono gli occhioni dolci che hanno dato ai DK:

Thy Frank Herbert

[ECZO]

Spoiler:

appena fatta con mezzi artigianali
dite che se la mando a wowinsider me la pubblicano?

[Bl@ck]

prova

[EL_Marco]

favolosooooooo xD

[GeeGeeOH]

Nuovi talenti sul calculator ufficiale http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/.../talents2.html

[ECZO]

grazie dei feedback, ma adesso sorge il problema.. a quale indirizzo spedisco il link?

[Dedalus]

Nuovi talenti sul calculator ufficiale http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/.../talents2.html

Mi hanno spostato Lichborne nel ramo Frost
Peccato: la Unholy-blood (fino a rune tap) prometteva bene.

Cmque talent calculator broken: Ferocius Dead richiede 5 punti in Ravenoud Dead, dove però se ne possono mettere solo 3

Già segnalata la cosa, ovviamente

[Fenris]

Frost ha guadagnato qualcosina,blood c'ha perso molto ed unholy è più o meno come prima parlando di tank-spec



P.s:se i druidi rimarran come son ora,mi aspetto che ogni stramaledetto team arena in wotlk avrà un dk unholy ora che han rimesso il disintegra-hot come era previsto all'inizio

[EL_Marco]

Cavolo però,già avevo poco da bestemmiare ora...se poi mi mettono un cazz di coso morto che cammina a rompermi le palle ocn quella magia.......mmm,addio siphon,addio drain life....addio team.

DK-Dudu saranno i migliori temo

Ma come si suol dire:il tempo di darà le risposte che cerchiamo.

[Bl@ck]

nulla è definitivo, sto DK lo stanno cambiano ad ogn build della beta e sicuro verrà tweakato parecchio anche in live per testare come lo gioca la gente.

[Dedalus]

Frost ha guadagnato qualcosina,blood c'ha perso molto ed unholy è più o meno come prima parlando di tank-spec

In generale sì, frost ha guadagnato qualcosa e Unholy ha perso Lichborne. Più in generale in Unholy adesso è un pochino più facile mettere i punti nei primi due rami (prima era un gran casino decidere )
Blood non lo so, devo rivedermelo.

P.s:se i druidi rimarran come son ora,mi aspetto che ogni stramaledetto team arena in wotlk avrà un dk unholy ora che han rimesso il disintegra-hot come era previsto all'inizio

Io la amo quella spell. La amo tanto XD

[GeeGeeOH]

On the DW issue....

Death Knights will be able to dual-wield. The design is that DW and 2H are about equal. Because DW tends to dominate for specs that have it as an option, you probably won't see it propped up much more than it is now. Ideally we would like to see 2H and DW DKs. I suspect 2H will be slightly more popular since that fits most people's notions of a proper DK.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...17304&sid=1#70

Ha postato diverse altre cose nel topic linkato.

[Dedalus]

Io invece penso che vedremo tanti DK DW.

[Ashero]

Need screen di tauren con gli occhietti blu.

[GeeGeeOH]

It's great to see people fine tuning DK specs, but our view on tanking specs for DKs is that there should be many of them, none being particularly more powerful than any other if the goal is simply to tank an instance. We're wanting any death knight to tank, as long as they've actually spent their talent points somewhere and they have at least average gear. So you can be frost, you can be unholy, or blood and still be able to tank: the class is a tanking class and no specific tree is intended to be particularly more suitable for tanking than the others. So unlike other tanking-able classes, you won't have to heavily invest in any particular tree.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...o=1&sid=2003#1
Non ci sarà un ramo tanking specifico, tutti e tre i rami saranno adatti a tankare.
Non ci sarà il ramo "prot" alla warrior/pally.