[ Sid Meier's Railroads ] Topic Ufficiale

[Cily]

Direi furto in questo caso
Magari mi sbaglio...ma mi sembrano i font tipici di tutti i giochi poptop, da rrt2 passando per tropico...

[Rosenkreuz]

Guardate cos'ho intercettato, girando per vari forum!
Un post di un membro della Firaxis che annuncia la prima patch! Eccovene il testo:

The patch has been released to QA, so as promised, here's the current tentative changelog for the first patch (v1.010). Note that this list is TENTATIVE and may change at any time before it's released. I don't have a firm release date for this yet, so please don't bomb me with requests for dates.

This patch represents verified fixes for over 80% of the bugs we've received via Windows Error Reporting, and also substantially improves the AI's performance so far in early testing.

Code:

Sid Meier's Railroads! Changelog

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|| v 1.010 (59214) || 27-Oct-2006 ||
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* AI - Added a negative value to investor level, to slow AI down if he's running away with a win.
* AI - Better AI train upgrades- only upgrade trains that have hit full load capacity at least once after the first 3 years of service. Also only upgrade when a comparison of max speeds, given the prior loadouts, proves the upgrade is actually faster.
* AI - Edited timing differences in difficulty XML
* AI - Fix for AI failing to initiate industry auctions.
* AI - Fix for AI failing to set a route in first minute of game.
* AI - Fixed AI bug where all its internal values for each good were mixed up, causing passengers to be valued at the price of automobiles, hence passengers were almost exclusively delivered.
* AI - Increased maximum AI auction bidding limits.
* AI - Less idling on Tycoon difficulty.
* AI - Track/train costs constant for all difficulty levels
* AI - Train's consist from a bought out AI will no longer have more than 8 cars on the routing screen.
* AI - Refresh mission status after each train added (ensures early delivery missions get added)
* Art - Correcting naming convention for Class 40 Diesel.
* Art - Fix for missing build-up animations.
* Art - Fixed rotating truck problem on ES1 and Crocodile locomotives.
* Art - fixed sorting transparency issue with Goods Car v1.
* Art - Fixes for the Iron Duke and Consolidation.
* Crash - Deleting both routes to a train will no longer crash the game when the train comes back.
* Crash - Deleting the section of track right before the train will no longer crash the game.
* Crash - Double left-clicking on an "Industry Buy" button no longer causes the game to crash to desktop.
* Crash - Fix crash when trying to hide auction that hasn't been created yet when going into routing screen.
* Crash - Fixed restart crash.
* Crash - If user changes the route to a depot the train is just passing the game will no longer crash.
* Crash - Long track is broken up into smaller tracks to address the "long track crash".
* Crash - Overlapping a track junction no longer causes a crash to desktop upon quitting to main menu or laying a parallel track off a piece of track.
* Crash - stopped a problem with improper links.
* Crash - The game no longer crashes after deleting a certain segment of track from the attached save game.
* Crash - The game will no longer crash if the player blocks AI's train track at the beginning of the game.
* Crash - The liquidate and merge overlay is no longer transferable to other parts of the game.
* Crash - User can no longer crash game by holding down the increase/decrease elevation keys.
* Crash - When bought out, don't try to update the main game interface if the main game interface does not exist.
* Crash - When deleting a track, there is no reason to reroute a train that is using that track if the train has already passed that track and will not cross it in the future.
* Crash - When Host or Client is bought out when on the "Train Upgrade" screen they'll no longer crash.
* Design - Mail price tweak.
* Functionality - Fix for rerouting issue. If you change your route by adding a new stop while you're loading at the first stop and the way to the second stop is blocked by another train, your train will no longer stop loading at the first stop and start moving towards the second stop (where it wouldn't unload it's cars.)
* Functionality - Fix for why sometimes both parallel tracks aren't added to a depot when dropped down.
* Functionality - Fixed tutorial progression stoppers.
* Functionality - If the user retires with an auction onscreen and chooses to 'keep playing' the current auction and all future auctions will now retain their functionality.
* Functionality - Making parallel tracks within looped track will choose the shortest path along the loop to build the track.
* Functionality - Opening the Trains screen (F4), clicking the Money sort button, and then deleting a train will no longer cause the sorting order to become randomized again.
* Functionality - Remove victory conditions that involve competitor stock when playing with no AI.
* Functionality - Stock buy/sell exploit fix.
* Functionality - The player who owns the industry now gets the bonus money, rather than the person who delivered the goods.
* Functionality - User is no longer able to place depot in the water in london on the GB scenario, leaving it inaccessible.
* Functionality - When player buys out another player, and they inherit the stock of the remaining player, the remaining player will now be shown as "bought out" if the player now owns all shares of that player.
* Graphics - cleared city and industry temporary track grid every time it moves.
* Graphics - Half the alert screen no longer disappears until space is pressed.
* Graphics - improved UpdateLeaders performance.
* Graphics - Minimizing then maximizing the game no longer causes the Minimap and Train Graph, on Roundhouse screen, to become corrupted
* Graphics - Updated Nvidia settings
* Graphics - While dragging a track and you loose focus of the railroads window in fullscreen and when you come back the ground texture will no longer go black.
* Interface - Added option to not show the era intro screen.
* Interface - Clicking on mission objectives takes you to the locatoin instead of re-opening the newspaper.
* Interface - Closing load dialog resets focus to load button.
* Interface - Closing options dialog resets focus to options button.
* Interface - Customize train screen now remembers apply all states. Setting apply all buttons, sets color and/or decal as default for new trains.
* Interface - "Event Log" box no longer comes forward when Player tries to "close" out the "Finance" screen.
* Interface - First auction bid is now the proposed value rather than being $10k+ than the proposed value.
* Interface - Game Alert Log can now be properly closed if a newspaper alert appears above it.
* Interface - In the button config option, the "Print Screen" key no longer appears as the "System Request" key.
* Interface - Interface can no longer get stuck on the screen if user presses escape and then an F-key.
* Interface - Newspapers are no longer modal.
* Interface - Now show trade-in value when you're upgrading a train.
* Interface - Optimization to keep the frame rate from dropping dramatically when objects are mouse-over or selected.
* Interface - Preventing the new train and the newspaper screen from appearing at the same time
* Interface - Removed the "show all player's floating text" option.
* Interface - The world now drops the initial depot before the era popup is closed.
* Interface - Selecting a city and having a "New Train Alert" pop up will no longer cause the selected city's resource icons on the mini-map to disappear.
* Interface - The in-game Pause prompt now updates after assigning a new letter to the Pause action.
* Interface - Update player name for game when changed on options screen from main menu.
* Interface - User can no longer assign arrow buttons as hotkeys.
* Interface - User can no longer enter over 20 characters of text for the Buyout Taunt Headline or Subhead in the Options menu.
* Interface - When rotating view, letting go of the center mouse button while over a large city icon now releases the "rotating camera".
* Interface - Zoom in and out keymap keys added.
* Multiplayer - Code fixes to address MP AI OOS.
* Multiplayer - Don't allow the game to access the internet if we're not playing an internet game.
* Multiplayer - Enabled AI players in MP.
* Multiplayer - Network and sync timing now floats - attempting to resolve the time error accumulation in slower machines.
* Multiplayer - Stuttery train fix: turn off vblanksynch in MP.
* Performance - Fixed small AI memory leak when a route is valid but the AI can't afford it.
* Performance - Improved city and industry placement performance.
* Performance - Improved mow field performance.
* Performance - Improved track overlap finding performance.
* Performance - Improving city and stockpile track cutting, which improves track dragging by ~25%.
* Performance - Increased performance of reflection and shadow generation.
* Performance - Roundhouse and feature screen no longer load animations (only affects non-precached option).
* Performance - Simplified track validation to improve performance.

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|| v 1.000 (58110) || 29-Sep-2006 ||
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* Initial Retail Release.

[Cily]

L'hanno testato per bene questo gioco,prima di farlo uscire

[Friend34]

Sono diventato presidente degli stati uniti d'america!

[Rosenkreuz]

Ho lanciato l'aggiornamento tramite il pannello nella sezione multiplayer e il programma m'ha informato che la patch è disponibile! Ora la sto scaricando...
Ok, sono 18 mega ed è disponibile pure a questo link:
http://www.2kgames.com/support/patch...sPatch1.01.exe

Ecco il changelog ufficiale:

Sid Meier's Railroads! Changelog

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|| v 1.010 (59453) || 8-Nov-2006 ||
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* AI - Added a negative value to investor level, to slow AI down if he's ever actually winning.
* AI - AI no longer initiates an "Industry Auction" for an Industry the Player just won in an "Auction".
* AI - Better AI train upgrades- only upgrade trains that have hit full load capacity at least once after the first 3 years of service. Also only upgrade when a comparison of max speeds, given the prior loadouts, proves the upgrade is actually faster.
* AI - Edited timing differences in difficulty XML
* AI - Fix for AI failing to initiate industry auctions.
* AI - Fix for AI failing to set a route in first minute of game.
* AI - Fixed AI bug where all its internal values for each good were mixed up, causing passengers to be valued at the price of automobiles, hence passengers were almost exclusively delivered.
* AI - Increased maximum AI auction bidding limits.
* AI - Less idling on Tycoon difficulty.
* AI - Track/train costs constant for all difficulty levels
* AI - Train's consist from a bought out AI will no longer have more than 8 cars on the routing screen.
* AI - Refresh mission status after each train added (ensures early delivery missions get added)
* Art - Correcting naming convention for Class 40 Diesel.
* Art - Fix for missing build-up animations.
* Art - Fixed rotating truck problem on ES1 and Crocodile locomotives.
* Art - fixed sorting transparency issue with Goods Car v1.
* Art - Fixes for the Iron Duke and Consolidation.
* Crash - Deleting both routes to a train will no longer crash the game when the train comes back.
* Crash - Deleting the section of track right before the train will no longer crash the game.
* Crash - Double left-clicking on an "Industry Buy" button no longer causes the game to crash to desktop.
* Crash - Fix crash when trying to hide auction that hasn't been created yet when going into routing screen.
* Crash - Fixed restart crash.
* Crash - If user changes the route to a depot the train is just passing the game will no longer crash.
* Crash - Laying a rapid amount of track will no longer cause the game to crash when trying to quit.
* Crash - Long track is broken up into smaller tracks to address the "long track crash".
* Crash - Overlapping a track junction no longer causes a crash to desktop upon quitting to main menu or laying a parallel track off a piece of track.
* Crash - stopped a problem with improper links.
* Crash - The game no longer crashes after deleting a certain segment of track from the attached save game.
* Crash - The game no longer crashes when the user builds track from the Southeast tip of the map to the Southwest tip of the map.
* Crash - The game will no longer crash if the player blocks AI's train track at the beginning of the game.
* Crash - The liquidate and merge overlay is no longer transferable to other parts of the game.
* Crash - User can no longer crash game by holding down the increase/decrease elevation keys.
* Crash - When bought out, don't try to update the main game interface if the main game interface does not exist.
* Crash - When deleting a track, there is no reason to reroute a train that is using that track if the train has already passed that track and will not cross it in the future.
* Crash - When Host or Client is bought out when on the "Train Upgrade" screen they'll no longer crash.
* Crash - When two trains are on one track, a double track is laid and connected to original track, and original track is deleted, the game no longer crashes.
* Design - Mail price tweak.
* Design - Rebalanced starting cash, stock, and difficulty of difficulty levels
* Functionality - Added new difficulty level ("Robber Baron")
* Functionality - Fix for rerouting issue. If you change your route by adding a new stop while you're loading at the first stop and the way to the second stop is blocked by another train, your train will no longer stop loading at the first stop and start moving towards the second stop (where it wouldn't unload it's cars.)
* Functionality - Fix for why sometimes both parallel tracks aren't added to a depot when dropped down.
* Functionality - Fixed tutorial progression stoppers.
* Functionality - If the user retires with an auction onscreen and chooses to 'keep playing' the current auction and all future auctions will now retain their functionality.
* Functionality - Making parallel tracks within looped track will choose the shortest path along the loop to build the track.
* Functionality - Opening the Trains screen (F4), clicking the Money sort button, and then deleting a train will no longer cause the sorting order to become randomized again.
* Functionality - Remove victory conditions that involve competitor stock when playing with no AI.
* Functionality - Stock buy/sell exploit fix.
* Functionality - The player who owns the industry now gets the bonus money, rather than the person who delivered the goods.
* Functionality - Updated patents to match descriptions, and fixed broken patents
* Functionality - User is no longer able to place depot in the water in london on the GB scenario, leaving it inaccessible.
* Functionality - When player buys out another player, and they inherit the stock of the remaining player, the remaining player will now be shown as "bought out" if the player now owns all shares of that player.
* Graphics - cleared city and industry temporary track grid every time it moves.
* Graphics - Deleting track no longer causes the train cars to separate and change direction.
* Graphics - Half the alert screen no longer disappears until space is pressed.
* Graphics - improved UpdateLeaders performance.
* Graphics - Minimizing then maximizing the game no longer causes the Minimap and Train Graph, on Roundhouse screen, to become corrupted
* Graphics - Updated Nvidia settings
* Graphics - While dragging a track and you loose focus of the railroads window in fullscreen and when you come back the ground texture will no longer go black.
* Interface - Added option to not show the era intro screen.
* Interface - Clicking on mission objectives takes you to the locatoin instead of re-opening the newspaper.
* Interface - Closing load dialog resets focus to load button.
* Interface - Closing options dialog resets focus to options button.
* Interface - Customize train screen now remembers apply all states. Setting apply all buttons, sets color and/or decal as default for new trains.
* Interface - "Event Log" box no longer comes forward when Player tries to "close" out the "Finance" screen.
* Interface - First auction bid is now the proposed value rather than being $10k+ than the proposed value.
* Interface - Fixed position of popup menu on lobby member list when list is scrolled.
* Interface - Game Alert Log can now be properly closed if a newspaper alert appears above it.
* Interface - In the button config option, the "Print Screen" key no longer appears as the "System Request" key.
* Interface - Interface can no longer get stuck on the screen if user presses escape and then an F-key.
* Interface - Left mouse clicks on the city info box no longer cause unwanted screen movement.
* Interface - Newspapers are no longer modal.
* Interface - Now show trade-in value when you're upgrading a train.
* Interface - Optimization to keep the frame rate from dropping dramatically when objects are mouse-over or selected.
* Interface - Preventing the new train and the newspaper screen from appearing at the same time
* Interface - Removed the "show all player's floating text" option.
* Interface - The world now drops the initial depot before the era popup is closed.
* Interface - Selecting a city and having a "New Train Alert" pop up will no longer cause the selected city's resource icons on the mini-map to disappear.
* Interface - The in-game Pause prompt now updates after assigning a new letter to the Pause action.
* Interface - Update player name for game when changed on options screen from main menu.
* Interface - User can no longer assign arrow buttons as hotkeys.
* Interface - User can no longer enter over 20 characters of text for the Buyout Taunt Headline or Subhead in the Options menu.
* Interface - User's stocks can no longer show a sell price of negative dollars.
* Interface - When rotating view, letting go of the center mouse button while over a large city icon now releases the "rotating camera".
* Interface - Zoom in and out keymap keys added.
* Multiplayer - Code fixes to address MP AI OOS.
* Multiplayer - Don't allow the game to access the internet if we're not playing an internet game.
* Multiplayer - Enabled AI players in MP.
* Multiplayer - Network and sync timing now floats - attempting to resolve the time error accumulation in slower machines.
* Multiplayer - Stuttery train fix: turn off vblanksynch in MP.
* Performance - Fixed small AI memory leak when a route is valid but the AI can't afford it.
* Performance - Improved city and industry placement performance.
* Performance - Improved mow field performance.
* Performance - Improved track overlap finding performance.
* Performance - Improving city and stockpile track cutting, which improves track dragging by ~25%.
* Performance - Increased performance of reflection and shadow generation.
* Performance - Roundhouse and feature screen no longer load animations (only affects non-precached option).
* Performance - Simplified track validation to improve performance.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
|| v 1.000 (58110) || 29-Sep-2006 ||
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Initial Retail Release.

[Friend34]

Ottimo! la istallo subito!

[Kemper Boyd]

Buon Dio, lasciami stare il buon Chris Sawyer! Gestire il suo TT era un secondo lavoro! Ora, se uno adora quello stile di gioco, è gioco-forza che non prenda nemmeno in considerazione questo Railroads! E' un po' come dire "uff, che pizza questo Gary Grisby World at War! Datemi un Heart of Iron 2 Doomsday!" Stessa ambientazione, due "mondi" differenti...

Ecco io ho amato molto TT e da tempo vorrei trovare qualcosa di simile.
Mi puoi dire in che modo questo Railroads! è così diverso?
A me piaceva molto il gioco libero senza missioni prefissate o obiettivi da raggiungere entro un certo limite di tempo. Questo tipo di gioco non è previsto in SMR?

[Paxcow]

Salve a tutti.
Io ho giocato TT molto tempo fa (anche se ora mi avete fatto tornare la voglia, se solo ricordassi dove lo conservo...), ancora troppo immaturo per apprezzarlo appieno.
RRT3 invece...quella è un'altra storia. Ore e ore, notti intere spese per ottenere l'oro in ogni scenario, divertimento estremo. C'era però margine di miglioramento: a me non è mai andata a genio che su un binario singolo si possano incontrare due treni e il treno con la priorità minore diventi intangibile fino al passaggio dell'altro treno; oppure il treno che invertiva istantaneamente senso di marcia per girare su rami della rete per i quali non era stata prevista diramazione.
Avevo sperato che Chris Sawyer's Locomotion risolvesse questi problemi, e devo dire che la gestione delle rotaie è eccellente, bisogna pensare bene a scambi e diramazioni, bisogna anche posare i giusti semafori. Peccato che il resto del gioco non sia proprio all'altezza, e non solo per la grafica orribile.
Ero convinto che SMRailroads sarebbe stato la sintesi di questi due giochi, un RRT3 migliorato, ma purtroppo mi devo ricredere: è vero che ora bisogna gestire meglio la posa dei binari, ma perché semplificare tutto il resto? Non è più possibile comprare industrie "fuori mano", non si possono fare grosse speculazioni finanziarie (niente BOND, non si possono emettere o ritirare azioni, non c'è più un capitale personale distinto da quello aziendale), non si guarda più il prezzo delle merci (e il grafici colorati con il gradiente di prezzo delle merci, i luoghi di produzione e consumo e la diffusione naturale delle stesse era sicuramente la parte migliore del gioco). Certo, hanno migliorato la grafica...ma il livello di zoom minimo è ridicolo però, non si può avere visione d'insieme (e lasciamo stare la minimappa, che è buona solo per vedere dove si produce o consuma la merce, ma non per vedere dove sono le città, o che c'è nei dintorni di dove siamo). E poi, i binari migliorati ok, ma è possibile che per riuscire ad innestare un binario su un semaforo preesistente bisogna procedere per microspostamenti del mouse, spesso in maniera vana? Non so voi, ma io non sono molto soddisfatto di una rete ferroviaria dove ad ogni innesto multiplo ci sono 4 o 5 semafori.
Le stazioni secondarie poi mi lasciano un po' combattuto: se da un lato mi piace molto la "specializzazione" delle stesse, dall'altro mi piacerebbe comunque scegliere, mi piacerebbe poter mettere una rimessa vicino ad un vigneto in cui si scaricare dei minerali con un treno che viene dalla miniera, minerali che poi verranno caricati insieme al vino da un altro treno che li porterà in città.
Troppo troppo semplificato, sono un po' deluso, forse anche perché le aspettative erano alte...


edit: Ad esempio di quanto dico qui sopra, guardo l'immagine di amico_:34£ : la rete sembra ben progettata, ma non vi sembra che ci sono un po' troppi semafori? Quasi uno ogni casella...

[Cily]

Ecco io ho amato molto TT e da tempo vorrei trovare qualcosa di simile.
Mi puoi dire in che modo questo Railroads! è così diverso?
A me piaceva molto il gioco libero senza missioni prefissate o obiettivi da raggiungere entro un certo limite di tempo. Questo tipo di gioco non è previsto in SMR?

Se ti piacciono i manageriali di trasporti a tutto tondo, ti consiglio di fare qualunque cosa per mettere le mani su transport giant e relativa espansione (tg: down under).
Uno dei giochi più sottovalutati della storia imho (anzi,quasi quasi ci apro un topic ad hoc...mod,che faccio, qui o in manageriali?)

[nasou]

Ordinato oggi su play a 26,99€

e' in italiano?

[alemar78]

Uno dei giochi più sottovalutati della storia imho (anzi,quasi quasi ci apro un topic ad hoc...mod,che faccio, qui o in manageriali?)

Sai che non ci avevo mai pensato, ma in effetti il posto migliore per questi giochi dovrebbe essere il forum sui manageriali...che sia il caso di spostare anche questo topic in manageriali?
Vediamo cosa ne pensa Shog-goth...

[Shog-goth]

Sai che non ci avevo mai pensato, ma in effetti il posto migliore per questi giochi dovrebbe essere il forum sui manageriali...che sia il caso di spostare anche questo topic in manageriali?
Vediamo cosa ne pensa Shog-goth...

Diciamo che Railroads ha goduto di un diritto d'asilo che, comunque, non può diventare la regola. In ogni caso penso che questo topic possa tranquillamente restare qui (visto che è stato avviato dalla nostra utenza), mentre per Transport Giant la parola debba senz'altro passare a Manageriali...

[Friend34]

e' in italiano?

Confermo!!!

[nasou]

Ordinato al volo
Grazie

[Friend34]

Ordinato al volo
Grazie

Di niente!

[Prom]

delusione...troppo semplice...non avevo mai giocato a questa serie...e l'ho trovato di una semplicità disarmante

esattamente quello che penso anch'io.
alla seconda partita si diventa l'uomo più ricco dell'universo e i soldi cadono dal cielo come manna.
non si può impostare nulla di nulla, le variabili sono 2: le locomotive da cambiare e le rotte da impostare. il resto è automatico...
boh.. mi sembra un pò troppo facile

[Calu]

Di niente!

Grazie anche da parte mia. Certo che su play.com potrebbero mettere l'info della lingua. Ogni volta bisogna chiedere a qualche anima pia...

Ordinato, grazie!

cia'

[nasou]

Non ancora mi arriva..che palle!!
Ma com'è il multy?

[nasou]

Ah è ariivato...però non c'è la modalità carriera... :(

[Friend34]

Non ancora mi arriva..che palle!!
Ma com'è il multy?

Sigh,nel multy non c'è quasi nessuno

Grazie anche da parte mia. Certo che su play.com potrebbero mettere l'info della lingua. Ogni volta bisogna chiedere a qualche anima pia...

Ordinato, grazie!

cia'

[Rosenkreuz]

Sigh,nel multy non c'è quasi nessuno

Beh, se mi vedi in lobby (Rosenkreuz, viva la fantasia!) fammi pure un fischio, che si gioca al volo!

[Gylfi.(Fenriz.II)]

Insomma io non ho ancora capito se un po' di sfida c'é o no in questo gioco.
Stavo per acquistarlo ad occhi chiusi visto che la recensione poneva l'accento sull'eccessiva complessitá . E qua sento il contrario.

boh

Ho giocato a Rt3 ma conosco Rt2 molto di piú , come si pone quest'ultimo di fronte a Railroads ?

[average_1]

Insomma io non ho ancora capito se un po' di sfida c'é o no in questo gioco.
Stavo per acquistarlo ad occhi chiusi visto che la recensione poneva l'accento sull'eccessiva complessitá . E qua sento il contrario.

boh

Ho giocato a Rt3 ma conosco Rt2 molto di piú , come si pone quest'ultimo di fronte a Railroads ?

io stra quoto la minirecensione di Paxcow un paio di posts sopra, se possibile le lacune nei confronti di rrt3 si ampliano se confrontato con rrt2, che aveva anche una intelligenza artificiale tutto sommato competitiva.

non è un gioco strategico molto impegnativo. può essere divertente come puzzle-game da giocare in ufficio in pausa caffè

[Gylfi.(Fenriz.II)]

Non ho capito un'acca di quello che hai detto.

Ripeto, Rt2 é piú o meno complesso di Railroads ? oppure uguale ?

[Friend34]

Beh, se mi vedi in lobby (Rosenkreuz, viva la fantasia!) fammi pure un fischio, che si gioca al volo!

Bisognerebbe organizzare qualche partita!!!