[MOD MP] Natural Selection 3.0

[liPillON]

NS 3.0 IS DONE!
It's finally ready. NS 3.0 (final) will be released to the public on Saturday, March 5th. If you would like to mirror any files after we release, submit your mirrored file here.

Thus, we conclude a long and colorful product cycle with a as we believe very worthy batch of features and updates. For details, read the changelog since NS 3.0 Beta 5.

The development of 3.0 saw a number of personnel changes on the extended team. We'd like to take the opporunity to thank Max "maxwell" McGuire, Spencer "voogru" MacDonald, Tom "ElvenThief" Grim, as well as the trainees, contributors, testers, and other volunteers we worked with during this version's development, including those who had to move on.

We, specifically myself, would also like to thank Greg "Wither" in den Berken and Jim "JazzX" Olson for taking over on managing the Playtester program, as well as Nicolas "Marik_Steele" Winocur for taking the community management position, thus allowing me to concentrate on my role as project manager on the NS team.

Special thanks go to NiteOwl, whom we have to thank for our outstanding new manual (to be released shortly).

NS 3.0 is in many ways an end to an era and marks a reorientation of big parts of our development procedure. As a first marker of this, I'd like to welcome Petter "tankefugl" Roennigen on the team. Petter, an outstanding programmer, and first of a number of trainees to become a full developer, will help us in creating the future of Natural Selection.

It's been a crazy ride so far and we're just getting started. We're glad to have you with us.

http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns/


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[D.B. Bauer]

bellaLI! ha scritto sab, 05 marzo 2005 alle 19:08

NS 3.0 IS DONE!
It's finally ready. NS 3.0 (final) will be released to the public on Saturday, March 5th. If you would like to mirror any files after we release, submit your mirrored file here.

Thus, we conclude a long and colorful product cycle with a as we believe very worthy batch of features and updates. For details, read the changelog since NS 3.0 Beta 5.

The development of 3.0 saw a number of personnel changes on the extended team. We'd like to take the opporunity to thank Max "maxwell" McGuire, Spencer "voogru" MacDonald, Tom "ElvenThief" Grim, as well as the trainees, contributors, testers, and other volunteers we worked with during this version's development, including those who had to move on.

We, specifically myself, would also like to thank Greg "Wither" in den Berken and Jim "JazzX" Olson for taking over on managing the Playtester program, as well as Nicolas "Marik_Steele" Winocur for taking the community management position, thus allowing me to concentrate on my role as project manager on the NS team.

Special thanks go to NiteOwl, whom we have to thank for our outstanding new manual (to be released shortly).

NS 3.0 is in many ways an end to an era and marks a reorientation of big parts of our development procedure. As a first marker of this, I'd like to welcome Petter "tankefugl" Roennigen on the team. Petter, an outstanding programmer, and first of a number of trainees to become a full developer, will help us in creating the future of Natural Selection.

It's been a crazy ride so far and we're just getting started. We're glad to have you with us.

http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns/


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il gruppo ha formato una vera e propria software house e stà lavorando a natural selection 2 con una licenza di uno dei + recenti motori grafici... nn si capisce ancora quale licenza abbiano preso

[wozzek]

Ma e' un mod sigle player?

[D.B. Bauer]

wozzek ha scritto sab, 05 marzo 2005 alle 19:13
Ma e' un mod sigle player?

multiplayer di half life 1, il + giocato dopo counterstrike e day of defeat

[stmxxx]

la versione source uscirà mai?

[liPillON]

http://www.tgmonline.it/forum/index.php? t=msg&goto=3684161

[Fenris]

E io ieri ho formattato e non ho i backup di nulla....


....ma chissene,sul disco 2 ho ancora l'intsallazione dal cd di HL1,sposto due cartelle e son pronto []

[SmoR]

in un'intervista agli autori di natural selection, è stato detto che l'ultima versione di NS sarà la 3.1, poi faranno la conversione al source, implementano prima il motore grafico source e in seguito rifaranno anche i modelli, mappe etc.
*edit* da quello che ho capito nell'intervista, pare che sono intenzionati a convertire NS al source solo se la valve lo implementa nella lista MY GAMES (ovvero lo compra dalla UW).
cmq NS è un gioco stupendo, ci ho giocato moltissimo e devo dire che merita di essere messo nella lista MY GAMES, maledetta valve che non riconsoce i veri talenti...

[Blood]

SmoR ha scritto sab, 05 marzo 2005 alle 20:12
in un'intervista agli autori di natural selection, è stato detto che l'ultima versione di NS sarà la 3.1, poi faranno la conversione al source, implementano prima il motore grafico source e in seguito rifaranno anche i modelli, mappe etc.

allora la rifanno sotto il source, la rifanno con un altro motore, o la vendono come software house indipendente? che boia fanno insomma?
e la valve è stata poco furba... doveva comprarla come ha fatto con altri mod famosi, invece di collaborare solo per i propri titoli.

[SmoR]

Blood ha scritto sab, 05 marzo 2005 alle 20:18

SmoR ha scritto sab, 05 marzo 2005 alle 20:12
in un'intervista agli autori di natural selection, è stato detto che l'ultima versione di NS sarà la 3.1, poi faranno la conversione al source, implementano prima il motore grafico source e in seguito rifaranno anche i modelli, mappe etc.

allora la rifanno sotto il source, la rifanno con un altro motore, o la vendono come software house indipendente? che boia fanno insomma?
e la valve è stata poco furba... doveva comprarla come ha fatto con altri mod famosi, invece di collaborare solo per i propri titoli.

preferirei che venisse convertito al source e comprato da valve.

[stmxxx]

se viene comprato dalla valve potrà anche usufruire di steam per gli aggiornamenti!!!

[liPillON]

bellaLI! ha scritto mar, 11 gennaio 2005 alle 09:50

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[ January 7th, 2005 ] :: NS, NS retail, NS: Source, NS2, etc. (Flayra)

There's so much confusion and misinformation floating around about all these projects that I think it's time to set the record straight.

First there was Natural Selection. Then I formed Unknown Worlds to make more ambitious retail games. I thought that the best bet for the company's first game was putting NS into retail, on the Half-life engine. This would be like Counter-strike or Day of Defeat in retail, and would've essentially been the same game, but polished up and packaged with the Half-life engine so people could play it without owning Half-life. I then decided that it would be too costly and a little boring too do this project, so it was skipped.

So the next project is likely going to be NS on the Source engine. We don't know for sure if we're doing this, as we haven't had time to evaluate how much work it will be, but everyone on the team is excited to do it, so I think it will happen. We don't know yet if it is going to be a straight port over to Source, or if we're going to redo a lot of the artwork/animations, or if we're going to change a lot of the fundamental gameplay (flamethrowers, physics, etc.). We need to look into it more, see how many months it's going to take (the bad part) and then make a decision. As soon as we know, we'll let you guys know. NS on Source will be done primarily by the current NS team. I'll be doing the game design and overall direction, but the NS team will be doing all the actual work.

The OTHER project, is Natural Selection 2. The game design has been started (hoo-boy, fun stuff), but this will be a full-fledged $50 (or so) retail game, not a mod. It will use a next-generation engine (like Source, Unreal Engine 3, etc.) and will take years and millions of dollars to create. This is what I'm now spending the majority of my time on.

questo è il post originario.. in effetti da quel commento italiano la mossa di U.W. mi sembrava più lunga della gamba..

NS2 è in fase di studio, passeranno anni prima di vederlo concluso ed utilizzerà un motore di nuova generazione (come Source o UE3)

questo non vuol dire che svilupperanno un engine proprietario, ma che ne useranno uno in licenza, secondo me.

[Blood]

allora sotto il source e fin qui ho capito.
Ma sarà un mod o un gioco che venderanno? No, perchè se ci fosse la volontà di venderlo, ovviamente dovrebbero pagare a Valve i diritti per l'utilizzo del source...al contrario, se fosse un mod gratuito direi che avrebbero via libera.

[liPillON]

ns:s quando e SE lo faranno, sarà secondo me un mod e basta

NS2 sicuramente uscirà come gioco standalone con un motore preso in licenza












bello il trailer su NS v3.0 (22 MB), ecco cosà può ancora offrire l'engine di HL1
=> http://download.jarhedz.com/ns_beta/PR/n s_30_trailer_high.zip

[Blood]

bellaLI! ha scritto sab, 05 marzo 2005 alle 20:52

bello il trailer su NS v3.0 (22 MB), ecco cosà può ancora offrire l'engine di HL1
=> http://download.jarhedz.com/ns_beta/PR/n s_30_trailer_high.zip

vero!
stanno uscendo tutt'ora dei mod per HL1 davvero migliorati sotto l'aspetto grafico.

[SmoR]

sono aperti i download della 3.0!

[BosseX]

io non ho ancora capito come funziona questo ns

[palumbro]

BoSSex ha scritto sab, 05 marzo 2005 alle 23:08
io non ho ancora capito come funziona questo ns

beh, tanto finche non riesco a far funzionare steam non mi pèrendo neanche l'espansione.


ot c'hai la signa un po' grossa

[Fenris]

BoSSex ha scritto sab, 05 marzo 2005 23:08
io non ho ancora capito come funziona questo ns

Il modo migliore per capire NS è giocarci.

Se non l'hai mai provato mettilo su,cercati una mappa della modalità combat e facci la mano (in quel sistema assomiglia alla lontana a CS),poi,quando sarai pronto,cerca una mappa in modalità natural selection (le riconosci perchè iniziano per ns_) e vedrai come funziona davvero

[SmoR]

le mappe ns_ sono caratterizzate da:
cè un commander che vede il gioco dall'alto tipo StarCraft, piazza le basette e le varie strutture di potenziamento, e noi space marines ci andiamo vicino e tenendo premuto E le costruiamo.
per fare queste strutture cè bisogno di risorse, nella mappa sono sparse alcuni gayser dove il commander piazza sopra degli estrattori, noi li costruiamo e il commander riceve risorse.
l'obbiettivo è proteggere la base e distruggere quella nemica.
per proteggere la base il commander piazza delle torrette che sparano mitragliate ai nemici che si avvicinano.
quando si hanno molte risorse il commander inizia a dare armi potenti tipo high machineguns o lanciagranate, armature pesanti o jetpack, noi le indossiamo e andiamo a uccidere gli alieni.
tutto questo discorso vale anche per gli alieni, ma si evolvono diversamente, ci sono avrie tipologie di alieno, il costruttore, quello veloce con gli artigli letali, l'onos 8che è simile a un elefante con un corno che è in grado di inghiottire 1 marines e digerirlo (se l'onos viene ucciso mentre non siamo ancora stati digeriti, usciamo fuori dalla pancia sani e salvi).
nelle mappe co_ bisogna uccidere direttamente i nemici e proteggere la base, piu nemici si uccide piu possiamo comprare upgrade.

[Fenris]

Devo dire però che a veder il pelo nell'uovo non mi piaciono molto le modifiche che hanno fatto alle mappe "classiche" nella beta 3,le preferivo come erano prima...

[SmoR]

mi dispiace che siano pochissimi gli italiani che ci giocano, per non parlare dei server... ce ne sono solo 2 italiani!
che ne dite di formare un clan italiano di ns 3.0/3.1 finche non esce ns:s?
oppure si potrebbe chiedere ai tgm*shk di creare una fazione per ns, oltre a quelle gia esistenti di cs, gunbound etc.

[Fenris]

Ok,vado a farmi un giro di prova con la versione finale

Ah,questo è il log dei cambiamenti (per chi ha gia giocato alle vecchie versioni

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Gameplay changes
O Aliens have innate regeneration at a rate of 2% per second, this regeneration will always heal at least 1 point of health or armor and adds to healing from Defense Chambers or Hives, but doesn't 'stack' with Regeneration.
O Alien upgrades no longer cost resources.
O Gestating to skulk cost no resource points anymore.
O Sieges no longer damage players (damage against structures has been adjusted to stay consistent with previous versions).
O Turrets now priorise players over structures.
O Offense Chambers now priorise players over structures.
O Parasite now takes precedence over Scent of Fear on Hive Sight (allows players to see that their Parasite hit when using SOF to help teammates track enemies).
O Bile Bomb's range has been increased by 15%.
O Cat-pack cost has been reduced from 4 to 3 resource points.
O Marines near Sensory chambers show up as if detected by Scent of Fear.
O Acid rocket now does double damage to armor.
O Fades can now blink off ladders.

O Major changes to the alien cloaking upgrade:
- Players moving faster than walking pace will gradually become more visible the faster they move, but only to a max visibility of 30%.
- Players using Cloaking upgrade will no longer be fully visible at any time unless attacking or being attacked.
- You have to wait 3 seconds after uncloaking before you begin to cloak again.
- Turrets will not fire at slow moving aliens (-> players with less than 10% visibility).
- Increased visibility for aliens moving at greater than normal moving speed (bunnyhopping, gliding, etc.).

O Changed Scan cost from 25 to 20 energy units.
O Changed default combat game time to 15 minutes.
O Combat scan is now triggered by partially cloaked aliens. Note: Scan 'fires' every 3 seconds, so there is a window in which a fast alien can still close the distance.
O Combat scan deploy time halved to 0.25 seconds.
O Alien flashlight tweaks: marines in the alien's field of view are now lit up just like friendly structures and players.
O Shotgun range begins to fall off at 500 units, and is then reduced by 1% for every 2 further units, resulting in no damage after 700 units, to stop shotgun sniping.
O Alien respawn time reduced for teams larger than 6. As the number of hives increase, this time is increased, so at 3 hives there is no difference from respawn rate at 6 players.
O Combat wavespawn now takes a 5 seconds plus 2 seconds for every dead player, up to a maximum of 13 seconds.


Game mechanics
O Fixed a bug that would lead to valid weapons being 'redded out' (showing up as disabled).

O Waypoint system changes:
- Group waypoints will now act like personal waypoints for each player (so when you reach the waypoint, it disappears for you, while remaining for all other players).
- Reduced the size of the waypoint icons slightly.
- Added 'weld target at waypoint' support for players and structures.
- Added 'defend target' support for players and structures.

O If you are within 600 units of a marine spawn location, you will not be transported in by Distress Beacon.
O Added 'notready' command to reverse ready status in tournament mode.
O Equipment, med-packs, ammo-packs, etc. can again be dropped directly on players.
O Allowed item placement near resource towers.
O Made scanner sweeps deployable everywhere.
O Added a build restriction radius of 16,50 units around marines.
O Fixed a bug where a hive could not be dropped over a chamber.
O Changed player minimum build distance to the structure from 20 to 30 units.
O Knife knockback has been removed.
O Knockback from attacks reduced to 1/3 for ducking players on the ground.
O Tweaked xenocide/gore pushback behavior to eliminate weird flying marines and deaths by worldspawn.
O Limited how fast a player can re-join a team from readyroom. 3 seconds must pass before re-joining the game.
O Players no longer join a team in the 'dead' state.
O Recycling IP now triggers change of marine status in queue.
O A Phase Gate bug that allowed for the fast transportation of numerous marines has been fixed.
O Each Phase Gate now throttles the rate at which marines depart from it - One marine every 0.8 seconds.
O 'Pancake' prevention code. Limit on vertical component of lerk flight velocity to maximally 1000 units per tick upwards and 1200 down.
O Mines now do damage when the player who planted them leaves the team.
O You can no longer scan for free using hotgroups on observatories.
O Fixed bug where resupply wasn't effective for HMG or pistol. A resupplied weapon will never reload to less than a full clip.
O Changed the health bar around structures to more acurately reflect its health. Full bar is now exactly 100% health, empty bar is 0%.
O Reset room_type to 0 after being digested to avoid sound issue.
O Fixed bug that makes dead marines show up with a red health segment in the healthbar.
O Commander hints will not play if cl_autohelp is set to 0.
O Recycling observatories will no longer uncloak aliens.
O Set minimum time for alien gestations to one second to avoid instant gestation in combat.
O Fixed the 'research transfer' exploit.
O Fixed the 'late join timer' exploit.
O Fixed exploit where structures could be dropped near marines in water to avoid building restrictions.
O Hive Sight no longer draws the player we are spectating.


Cosmetic changes:
O New medpack (thanks Brigadierwolf!).
O New ammo clips (thanks Brigadierwolf!).
O New hand grenade (thanks Brigadierwolf!).
O Added Heavy Armor falling sound.
O Gave each alien a unique landing sound.
O Updated Jetpack sound.
O Updated LMG clip out and clip in sounds.
O Updated Pistol reload sounds.
O Reverted LMG firing sound back to sound from beta 4.
O Updated welder idle sound to be more obvious when not welding anything.
O Replaced raindrop sprites.
O Added a "player joined team" messages to HUD.
O Team join sounds now only play for the team joined.
O Increased volume of welder hiss when target is not being welded.
O Updated cat-pack commander menu icons to provide a consistent interface.
O Friendly parasited players no longer show up in hive sight, and are no longer notified that they are parasited (Parasite still does FF damage though).
O Added a separate sprite for parasited enemy structures (thanks gazz0zz!).
O Hive locations now always appears on Hive Sight.
O Unbuilt hives use a different sprite for easy detection.
O Commander Station always shows as closed in combat maps.
O Changed Hive Sight sprites to be better discernable for color-blind players (thanks JazzX!).
O Implemented third person reload animations.
O Added slightly tweaked xenocide charge and explosion sounds.
O Animations for the egg model now play, they were broken.
O New medpack skin and icons (thanks Supernorn!)
O Added all-new hivehealth indicators for the alien HUD.
O alien_hivedying2.wav now plays.
O Recycling Phase Gates are no longer visually active.
O Phase Gates don't light up until they have a valid destination.
O Included cool colored minimaps (thanks JazzX!).
O Updated tooltips.
O Jetpacked marines now show up as 'JETPACK' on the scoreboard.
O Unavailable alien upgrades are now grayed out in the pop-up menu.
O Voice comms can now be used during game start.
O Added a new, sanely-sized bilebomb model.


Map changes:
O Added co_niveus by drath

O Added ns_eon by Olmy

O co_angst
- Completely reworked center area of map
- Increased brightness in landing gear zone
- Fixed several onos stuck issues
- Various other changes around the map

O co_core (updates by Merkaba)
- New ready room
- New light in hive
- New vent between hive area and upper marine start exit

O co_daimos
- Full visual rework

O co_faceoff
- Widened vents near marine start
- Changed geometry behind comm chair to be more accessible
- Hive can no longer be shot by jetpackers sitting in the side vents
- Fixed performance issues

O co_pulse
- Added a ramp to the hive room

O co_sava
- Increased brightness level
- Added cover in most rooms
- Added more vents
- Reworked the hive room
- Tweaked some areas to allow easier Onos movement

O ns_altair
- Added vent from Omega to Zeta with two exits into Phi
- Massive Optimizations
- New Surface Umbilical
- Redid Upper MS
- New Monitor Textures by Samejima
- Covered up pit in Omega
- Custom minimap with vents marked in red
- Removed Diving Tanks
- Connected Nanite Regulation to Settling Tanks
- Connected Settling Tanks to Communications
- Retextured Vents to be easier to distinguish
- Removed door weldable
- Added new vent weldables
- Moved Parts Room rt to Sigma Test Site
- Added new info_locations to help with navigation
- Played with HLRAD settings to increase brightness
- Added more light into sewer
- Combined Station Monitoring and Sub Bay nodes into one
- Divided sub bay into two rooms, Sub Bay and Sub Refueling
- Removed upper hallway between Life Support and Parts Room
- Reopened route between Lower Sub Bay and Parts room

O ns_bast
- The broken door in MS is now closed
- Marines have to go through Main Aft again to get to Engine
- Added infestation in Refinery to block the line of sight to the hive from the ramp entrance
- Added some cover in Refinery
- Reworked and renamed Docking Storage (it's called Reactor Core Regulation now)
- Removed one node from Atmospheric Processing
- Moved column in Atmospheric Processing more to the center
- Added vent from Engine to Water Treatment
- Added vent between Feedwater and Steam Generation
- Widened the corridor outside feedwater

O ns_eclipse
- Redesigned marine spawn to a 1.0 / 3.0 mix
- Moved horseshoe RT to T-junction
- Added new vents to KeyHole
- Moved maintenance RT
- Added pillars to eclipse hive to prevent spawn camping
- Made it easier to get on top of eclipse hive
- Added vent from eclipse -> triad
- Redesigned power sub junction

O ns_hera
- Moved data core delta node into hive room
- General bug fixes/cosmetic improvements
- Onos can now leave through back door of delta hive (oops!).
- Outside now has proper light level
- Restricted movement outside even more so gorges can't build on tube
- Skulks cannot climb the cliff walls or sky anymore. (might be slightly unaccurate - skulks are still able to stick to the ceiling but only if they manage to get through a trigger_push pushing them away with a force of 2000 units.)
- Hanger bay doors now openable/closable (again). Added a twist whereby for a short moment (3 secs) when opening/closing, onoses aren't able to pass through.
- A few general clipnode improvements
- Minimap Sprite updated (sorry for not including that before)
- Removed Systems and Fog Corridor nodes.
- Fog Corridor now has a weld to turn on lights
- Made the CC area more open/acessible to help alien attacks.
- Minor bug fixes
- Lighting returned to previous states
- Fixed marine start door

O ns_metal
- General updates

O ns_nothing
- Sped up and fixed all elevators
- Elevators can no longer be permanently blocked by players or structures
- Widened most vents
- Fixed several ladders to improve Onos navigability
- Fixed railings in Ominous Kismet and improved general navigability of the area
- Several trivial bug fixes

O ns_tanith
- Fixed ramp in Central Access tunnels
- Added structures to Waste and Satcom hives to reduce spawncamping
- Added a vent between Satcom and Acidic Solution resource node
- Fixed bugs with ceiling architecture in Fusion Reactor hive

O ns_veil
- Fixed cargo -> double res vent
- Added cover to outside of cargo
- Changes to vent from dome/pipeline -> cargo
- Redesigned pipeline hive
- c12 connections changed
- Redesigned areas directly surrounding pipeline
- Visual changes to marine spawn
- Vent from pipeline -> c12

Sarò di parte ma la rigenerazione di base agli alieni non ce la vedo proprio....La cura "al volo" dei frontiermen era gia bilanciata dalla rigenerazione e dalle defence -_-

E mi pare che i cambiamenti agli alieni sian tanti e pochi per gli altri (anche se la riduzione del ricnulo da accucciati non è da buttar via)

[DVAS(dofto]

Non ho half life1...

[BosseX]

DVAS(dofto ha scritto dom, 06 marzo 2005 alle 18:12
Non ho half life1...

io si ma mi hanno rubato la cd-key