nazionalizzare le banche e dazi le uniche cure alla crisi? [Crisi Economica]

[Edward Green]

come fanno ad avere debiti?

http://www.wallstreetitalia.com/arti...ualizzata.aspx

si parla di 50 mila miliardi di dollari contratto al di fuori dal settore finanziario, la maggior parte del quale è detenuto dalle aziende del mondo in via di industrializzazione.

A crescere a un ritmo particolarmente sostenuto sono stati i debiti in Cina. In rapporto al Pil, il debito nel 2007 era pari al 121%. Oggi è più del doppio: 282%.

Gli ultimi anni di politiche monetarie accomodanti e aggressive da parte delle banche centrali hanno fatto affluire nei mercati emergenti enormi flussi di capitali. Denaro a basso costo è stato preso a prestito per investire in questi paesi, dove la crescita progrediva a passo spedito rispetto all'Occidente.

[PinHead81]

Ieri Draghi con due cagate di parole e il blocco del rialzo dei tassi mi ha regalato la settimana bianca sempre lodata sia telecom italia, ma solo quando sale come ieri.

[Lord Derfel Cadarn]

come fanno ad avere debiti?

http://www.soldionline.it/analisi-sc...onda-in-arrivo

stanno emettendo debito i sauditi a causa del crollo delle materie prime, figuriamoci gli altri.

[alberace]

la cina ha talmente tanti soldi che ne butta miliardi in venezuela pur di assicurarsi un trattamento di favore quando si tratta di esportare merce merdosa.

[Daniel_san]

come fanno ad avere debiti?

Sai tutti i capitali che sono affluiti negli ultimi 15 anni dai Paesi occidentali? Non erano regali

[MrVermont]

Secondo gli analisti di Goldman Sachs, questa potrà essere l'ultima fase della crisi iniziata nel 2008, ma non finirà fino a quando tutti gli eccessi di investimento non saranno stato riassorbiti. E realizzate tutte le perdite. ...

Quindi mai?

[Daniel_san]

Non seguo l'economia da un pó di mesi, e non capisco se in Italia c'é davvero o meno questa fantomatica ripresa: inoltre a livello di UE come siamo messi?
Poi vorrei sapere se secondo voi tutto l'apparato messo in piedi per assistere i migranti, sta contribuendo alla ripresa economica (in teoria é tutta gente che prende lo stipendio, per non parlare dei soldi spesi per affittare hotel e compagnia bella)?
Ho finito, via con le bastonate e gli insulti.

PIL Italia


PIL Eurozona


PIL UE



Disoccupazione Italia


Disoccupazione Eurozona


Disoccupazione UE


Io non la definirei proprio ripresa, specie per l'Italia, ma anche gli altri mediamente non e' che se la passino benissimo. Dopo 7 anni di crisi Il PIL e' pari o leggermente superiore a quello precedente e la disoccupazione e' ancora nettamente piu' elevata, e questo nonostante l'emigrazione massiccia e le "riforme" introdotte nel frattempo che falsano notevolmente i dati al ribasso.

Il tuo ragionamento sugli immigrati e/o richiedenti asilo funzionerebbe se la spesa in questione fosse in aggiunta a quella esistente, cioe' se nel frattempo non si tagliassero altre spese, e invece...

[Battlerossi]

Bella merda sti grafici

[Vitor]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...rom-power.html


Eurozone crosses Rubicon as Portugal's anti-euro Left banned from power

Constitutional crisis looms after anti-austerity Left is denied parliamentary prerogative to form a majority government

Portugal has entered dangerous political waters. For the first time since the creation of Europe’s monetary union, a member state has taken the explicit step of forbidding eurosceptic parties from taking office on the grounds of national interest.

Anibal Cavaco Silva, Portugal’s constitutional president, has refused to appoint a Left-wing coalition government even though it secured an absolute majority in the Portuguese parliament and won a mandate to smash the austerity regime bequeathed by the EU-IMF Troika.

• Indebted Portugal is still the problem child of the eurozone

He deemed it too risky to let the Left Bloc or the Communists come close to power, insisting that conservatives should soldier on as a minority in order to satisfy Brussels and appease foreign financial markets.

Democracy must take second place to the higher imperative of euro rules and membership.
“In 40 years of democracy, no government in Portugal has ever depended on the support of anti-European forces, that is to say forces that campaigned to abrogate the Lisbon Treaty, the Fiscal Compact, the Growth and Stability Pact, as well as to dismantle monetary union and take Portugal out of the euro, in addition to wanting the dissolution of NATO,” said Mr Cavaco Silva.


“This is the worst moment for a radical change to the foundations of our democracy.
"After we carried out an onerous programme of financial assistance, entailing heavy sacrifices, it is my duty, within my constitutional powers, to do everything possible to prevent false signals being sent to financial institutions, investors and markets,” he said.
Mr Cavaco Silva argued that the great majority of the Portuguese people did not vote for parties that want a return to the escudo or that advocate a traumatic showdown with Brussels.
This is true, but he skipped over the other core message from the elections held three weeks ago: that they also voted for an end to wage cuts and Troika austerity. The combined parties of the Left won 50.7pc of the vote. Led by the Socialists, they control the Assembleia.
• Stalemate threatens to derail eurozone's model pupil
The conservative premier, Pedro Passos Coelho, came first and therefore gets first shot at forming a government, but his Right-wing coalition as a whole secured just 38.5pc of the vote. It lost 28 seats.


The Socialist leader, Antonio Costa, has reacted with fury, damning the president’s action as a “grave mistake” that threatens to engulf the country in a political firestorm.
“It is unacceptable to usurp the exclusive powers of parliament. The Socialists will not take lessons from professor Cavaco Silva on the defence of our democracy,” he said.
Mr Costa vowed to press ahead with his plans to form a triple-Left coalition, and warned that the Right-wing rump government will face an immediate vote of no confidence.
There can be no fresh elections until the second half of next year under Portugal’s constitution, risking almost a year of paralysis that puts the country on a collision course with Brussels and ultimately threatens to reignite the country’s debt crisis.
The bond market has reacted calmly to events in Lisbon but it is no longer a sensitive gauge now that the European Central Bank is mopping up Portuguese debt under quantitative easing.
Portugal is no longer under a Troika regime and does not face an immediate funding crunch, holding cash reserves above €8bn. Yet the IMF says the country remains “highly vulnerable” if there is any shock or the country fails to deliver on reforms, currently deemed to have “stalled”.
Public debt is 127pc of GDP and total debt is 370pc, worse than in Greece. Net external liabilities are more than 220pc of GDP.


The IMF warned that Portugal's “export miracle” remains narrowly based, the headline gains flattered by re-exports with little value added. “A durable rebalancing of the economy has not taken place,” it said.
“The president has created a constitutional crisis,” said Rui Tavares, a radical green MEP. “He is saying that he will never allow the formation of a government containing Leftists and Communists. People are amazed by what has happened.”
Mr Tavares said the president has invoked the spectre of the Communists and the Left Bloc as a “straw man” to prevent the Left taking power at all, knowing full well that the two parties agreed to drop their demands for euro-exit, a withdrawal from Nato and nationalisation of the commanding heights of the economy under a compromise deal to the forge the coalition.
• Defiant Portugal shatters the eurozone's political complacency
President Cavaco Silva may be correct is calculating that a Socialist government in league with the Communists would precipitate a major clash with the EU austerity mandarins. Mr Costa’s grand plan for Keynesian reflation – led by spending on education and health – is entirely incompatible with the EU’s Fiscal Compact.


This foolish treaty law obliges Portugal to cut its debt to 60pc of GDP over the next 20 years in a permanent austerity trap, and to do it just as the rest of southern Europe is trying to do the same thing, and all against a backdrop of powerful deflationary forces worldwide.
The strategy of chipping away at the country’s massive debt burden by permanent belt-tightening is largely self-defeating, since the denominator effect of stagnant nominal GDP aggravates debt dynamics.
It is also pointless. Portugal will require a debt write-off when the next global downturn hits in earnest. There is no chance whatsoever that Germany will agree to EMU fiscal union in time to prevent this.


The chief consequence of drawing out the agony is deep hysteresis in the labour markets and chronically low levels of investment that blight the future.
Mr Cavaco Silva is effectively using his office to impose a reactionary ideological agenda, in the interests of creditors and the EMU establishment, and dressing it up with remarkable Chutzpah as a defence of democracy.
The Portuguese Socialists and Communists have buried the hatchet on their bitter divisions for the first time since the Carnation Revolution and the overthrow of the Salazar dictatorship in the 1970s, yet they are being denied their parliamentary prerogative to form a majority government.
This is a dangerous demarche. The Portuguese conservatives and their media allies behave as if the Left has no legitimate right to take power, and must be held in check by any means.
These reflexes are familiar – and chilling – to anybody familiar with 20th century Iberian history, or indeed Latin America. That it is being done in the name of the euro is entirely to be expected.
Greece’s Syriza movement, Europe’s first radical-Left government in Europe since the Second World War, was crushed into submission for daring to confront eurozone ideology. Now the Portuguese Left is running into a variant of the same meat-grinder.
Europe’s socialists face a dilemma. They are at last waking up to the unpleasant truth that monetary union is an authoritarian Right-wing enterprise that has slipped its democratic leash, yet if they act on this insight in any way they risk being prevented from taking power.
Brussels really has created a monster.

[Azatoth]

Praticamente é come se in Italia impedissero la formazione di governi formati da Salvini o dal M5S.

[alberace]

wat

[MrVermont]

La grande democrazia europea

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[Blinker]

Praticamente é come se in Italia impedissero la formazione di governi formati da Salvini o dal M5S.

Non necessariamente un male eh

[AladinSalamin]

Non necessariamente un male eh

and here we go.

[koba44]

Anibal Cavaco Silva, Portugal’s constitutional president, has refused to appoint a Left-wing coalition government

SBROTFL! Mi ricorda ******tano.

[MrVermont]

Non necessariamente un male eh

Se puó governare il pd allora é giusto che possa governare anche topo gigio.

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[Blinker]

Sì, è bello il "siamo tutti uguali" ma alla fine non siamo tutti uguali e far fare le cose a chi le sa fare invece che al primo demente che passa sarebbe meglio.

[MrVermont]

E chi stabilisce chi sa fare e chi no? Tu?

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[Blinker]

Il buon senso a casa mia sarebbe già abbastanza.

[MrVermont]

A casa ad esempio il buon senso mi direbbe di mandare in culo l'euro. A casa di altri no. Quindi?

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[Azatoth]

Intanto in Europa hanno paura che in Polonia vada al potere la destra euroscettica.

[leizar]

Sì, è bello il "siamo tutti uguali" ma alla fine non siamo tutti uguali e far fare le cose a chi le sa fare invece che al primo demente che passa sarebbe meglio.

A sto punto dovremmo evitare a pd e pdl di andare al governo, visti i risultati

[Edward Green]

Il buon senso a casa mia sarebbe già abbastanza.

Sono curioso: in cosa consiste il buonsenso e chi ha stabilito le sue caratteristiche?

[Blinker]

Allora facciamo andare al potere sciakimikari e antivaccinari, così siamo tutti a posto.

[MrVermont]

Per ora al potere (a tutti i livelli ) ci sono andati ladri e mafiosi. E che risultati han dato

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